“Break it down, abstract it up, figure it out, try it on.” – that’s Boris approach. The Strategic Director & Co-founder, Rebus Foundation tells us some war stories, from the early days of the web, what changed and where the future relies. We spoke about the changing role of Design, explored his Rebus project, went political, the connection between design and science and made a couple of interesting detours.

Had great fun recording this conversation with Ricardo ahead of my short presentation at the Futurice & ThingsCon IoT workshop.